Business New Zealand has stirred up an industrial hornet's nest by refusing to be a formal partner in the government's Fair Pay Agreements.
The group said it had rejected the government's offer to be a default bargaining agent for employer and industry groups, having made it clear from the outset that the agreements - or FPA's - aren't needed.
It's a move that has garnered support in some quarters but not in others.
The New Zealand Council of Trade Unions backs the FPA legislation, saying it provides a minimum floor for wages and conditions - and prevents worker exploitation.
Business New Zealand chief executive Kirk Hope and CTU president Richard Wagstaff spoke to Corin Dann.
