While New Zealand's response to Covid was lauded by many, its response to another critical public health issue is being labelled 'abysmal'.
New Zealand is among the highest global users of pesticides, but Kathryn's next guest argues it lags behind the rest of the world when it comes to pesticide regulation and safety.
Neil Pearce is a Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. He's long held an interest in the health effects of dioxin; he was part of a delegation to Vietnam in 1995 to look at the effects of Agent Orange use and has studied former workers of the Ivon Watkins-Dow chemical plant in Taranaki.
His new book is Pesticides and Health: How New Zealand Fails in Environmental Protection which looks at our ongoing shortcomings in environmental and occupational health.