As the Cook Islands Government continues with its plans for seabed mining it has controversially dumped the person most closely associated with its famed Marae Moana.
Jacqui Evans was dumped as a director of the huge marine reserve, something she was instrumental in establishing.
Kelvin Passfield of the environmental group, Te Ipukarea Society, has been strongly critical of a move that has been tied to Ms Evans opposition to seabed mining.
He spoke with Don Wiseman, who began by asking him about the impact of the call at the Pacific Islands Forum's summit last month for a ten year moratorium on any seabed mining.