New Zealand is currently enjoying a period of being one of the very few countries in the world that can have mass events. But how long does that last in a bubble world. Economists and theorists are starting to think quite hard about how New Zealand and Australia can go about opening up to the world.
But it's all happening with the Melbourne outbreak casting a real shadow over optimistic thinking. Eric Crampton from the New Zealand Initiative has been wrestling with the data and views on this one and joins Jesse to examine the Gordian knot.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her Australia counterpart Scott Morrison. Photo: Jane Patterson
