Imagine blooming your own hybrid plant and knowing you were the first person ever to see that flower.
Orchids are one of those flowers where people really can play with hybrids, although it is notoriously hard to create a 'black orchid'.
Our next guest was one of the first people to work out how to do this with his acclaimed orchid After Dark. AKA Fredclarkeara.
Fred Clarke from Sunset Valley Orchids in Vista, California is in New Zealand right now for the Orchids and More festival at Mystery Creek in Hamilton, he talks to Jesse.