Who's Up at 5am? Phoebe Davis in Dayton, Ohio

Just hours later, there was a second shooting in the US where nine people were killed in Dayton, Ohio New Zealander Phoebe Davis is living in Dayton, currently on a research residency. We often like to talk other people who are up and about like us at this time and Phoebe sent in some feedback during yesterday's programme, so we decided to give her a call, She joins us now from Dayton, where it's about lunch time,