Could war be ended by ordinary people simply refusing to kill? And why do governments so often respond to those who refuse to be conscripted by throwing them in prison - or torturing them as happened to some of the New Zealanders who refused to take part in the First World War?
Interview One: Historian David Grant talks about his book Field Punishment No.1: Archibald Baxter, Mark Briggs and New Zealand's anti-militarist tradition (Steele Roberts).
Interview Two: John Baxter grandson of pacifist Archibald Baxter whose book We Will Not Cease describes being subjected to the No.1 Field Punishment referred to in the title of David Grant's book.
