It's only two days into the Ashes but already the touring English cricketers are being described by some as a rabble and written off as any chance in the five-test series.
Australia powered to 343 for seven by stumps at the Gabba and have opened up a lead of nearly 200 runs with three days still to play.
After being skittled for 147, England suffered a series of injuries and calamitous moments in the field.
BBC cricket journalist Henry Moeran spoke to Susie Ferguson.
