Those working on the frontlines with youth offenders are putting the boot into National over its proposal for military-style camps.
The party wants to send recidivist teenagers to special 'academies' to crack down on what its leader is calling a 'youth crimewave' of ramraids and violence.
If it sounds familiar, it's not the first time National has put up a policy like this that's been shot down by the experts.
Political reporter Anneke Smith has more.