The Treasury has just released seven scenarios looking at how the economy is faring - and could fare - depending on how long the country stays at Level 4 lockdown.
At best, the Treasury says unemployment can be kept below 10%, and return to 5% next year with additional government support.
At worst - with more time required in Level Four - it says unemployment could reach 17-point-five to 26 percent.
The Finance Minister Grant Robertson joins Kathryn to discuss.