Big hacks, mobile payments, Apple v Epic case ends

Technology commentator Paul Matthews joins Kathryn to look at the increase in significant hacking attacks and how they happen with the tale of what happened to the Reserve Bank in January. With the number of payments from mobile phones exploding, are banks and tech giants extracting more than their fair share? Speaking of Apple, a landmark court case wrapped up this week between Apple and Epic, the creator of the massively popular Fortnite game. They're complaining about Apple's App Store fees and control - and the fact they prevent companies collecting payments elsewhere. What'll it mean if they win?