What role could NZ's billion dollar space industry play in the new space race?
As space gets busier - and more crowded - New Zealand's space industry is drawing interest from our traditional allies.
There are some 10-thousand satellites orbiting Earth, some of which New Zealand has had a hand in launching.
Our space industry is worth over a billion dollars thanks to private companies like Rocket Lab, which has partnered many times with the US - most recently to get two NASA climate cubesats into orbit.
Launch capabilities from New Zealand are also of strategic interest to our allies - and this morning we'll look what closer space ties - possibly through an AUKUS alliance - could mean for New Zealand.
Kathryn is joined by Marçal Sanmartí, who's a researcher for the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs.