Gareth, Ben and Kathryn discuss the Royal Commission report on the abuse in care and the political response to it.
Also, the Health NZ Board being replaced by a Commissioner, and how the Green Party is dealing with the Darlene Tana situation.
Gareth Hughes is a former Green MP and now works for the Wellbeing Economy Alliance Aotearoa.
Ben Thomas is a former National government press secretary, a columnist and a director of public affairs firm Capital.