Some employers are sounding alarm over the government's plans to restructure Te Pūkenga.
The coalition is currently consulting on its plan to break up the National Institute of Skills and Technology, which it says has been an "abject disaster".
It plans to take the sixteen polytechnics out of Te Pūkenga, group the weak ones together, and let the strongest stand alone - and the country's six Workforce Development Councils would be replaced with Industry Training Boards.
Employers in construction and infrastructure warn that this could undo important progress in matching up training with what employers need.
Kathryn speaks with Alan Pollard, Chief Executive of Civil Contractors NZ and Greg Wallace, chief executive of Master Plumbers.