Andrew Hampton Photo: RNZ / Jane Patterson
The SIS says threats to New Zealand's national security are increasingly likely to come from within - be it disgruntled government employees or those in desperate need of extra cash.
The Security Intelligence Service has just released its second ever report outlining the security threats facing the country.
Key risks identified include foreign interference and espionage, risks brewing from the ongoing power play in the Indo-Pacific, as well as violent extremism and another lone-wolf terror attack.
Director-General of Security Andrew Hampton joins Kathryn.