Dr Terry Ryan, Hemi te Hemi and Harry Westrupp have a shared interest in Māori Trade Training that was established in the 1950s and continued until the early 1980s. Dr Terry Ryan is well versed in Ngai Tahu Whakapapa and discussed how the initiative was set up by Weslayan Church leaders who based the programme on the Te Rahui Wahine Hostels at Tūrangawaewae set by Princess Te Puea in 1949. Harry Westrupp left Omahu and headed to Christchurch to attend Māori Trade Training in the 1970s, today he works with young men keen to take up a skill as part of the new programme, He Toki ki te Rika. Hemi Te Hemi is at the forefront of He Toki ki te Rika, his role is to oversee the stakeholder relationships, they join Justine Murray from the Radio New Zealand Christchurch studio.