First Up - The Podcast, Tuesday 21 May

On today's First Up pod: Ellie Jay joins us from London where they're having hornet issues; Kate is back on deck from Argentina - with news of flooding in Brazil and chilly weather in Chile; finance minister Nicola Willis talks about the situation for Kiwis in New Caledonia and Mahvash Ikram catches up with a refugee from Gaza who now faces the challenge of finding a home in Auckland. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!