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A global effort to make communication clearer, kinder, and more meaningful for everyone started in the front seat of Jefferson Fisher's car. He's a Texas trial lawyer who started recording videos from his car during breaks in court. Audio

Tuesday 29 April 2025

On today’s show

1:10 Juggernaut Season 2

About 9 months ago we had The Spinoff's Toby Manhire in to talk about a new podcast - Juggernaut

It took us inside David Lange's 4th Labour government and ended up being one of the years surprise hits.

Toby's just announced that work has started on season two - this time looking at the 4th National government... 

That's the Jim Bolger & Jenny Shipley era and they want your leads and tip offs.

composite of Juggernaut podcast image and Toby Manhire

Toby Manhire Photo: Supplied by The Spinoff

1:20 An extraordinary display of forgiveness

One of our most tragic exports is mass shootings inspired by the Christchurch mosque attack

That sad legacy includes a 2019 shooting at a Walmart in El Paso Texas. 

A shooting that resulted in the murder of 22 people. The deadliest to be prosecuted in a US court room

Robert Moore a journalist and founder of news website EL Paso mattes has been reporting on the trial where something unexpected and striking happened.

EL PASO, TX - AUGUST 16: Antonio Basco, who's wife Margie Reckard was one of 22 persons killed by a gunman at a local Walmart, lays flowers in her honor at a makeshift memorial near the scene on August 16, 2019 in El Paso, Texas.

Photo: AFP

1:35 Greymouth's newest tourist attraction: a cloud formation?

It's been described as the most underappreciated and spectacular feature of the West Coast town of Greymouth.

And it gets its nickname because it's said to be so cold it could cut you in half like a barber's razor.

It is the "Barber" - a unique cloud formation usually only seen in sunny cold conditions.

We were keen to know more about this famous New Zealand cloud.

Former Grey Mayor Tony Kokshoorn was keen to see the Barber cloud promoted as a tourist attraction.

Former Grey Mayor Tony Kokshoorn was keen to see the Barber cloud promoted as a tourist attraction. Photo: Tony Kokshoorn

1:45 Tech Tuesday

Tim Batt talks Chat GPT and how they appear to have ramped up the LLM to 'Full Sycophancy Mode'. 

2:10 Book Critic: master of horror, Mariana Enríquez

Pip Adam talks about the horror maestro's work and the horror genre in general. 

Mariana Enriquez

Mariana Enriquez Photo: Jindřich Nosek (NoJin) CC BY-SA 4.0

2:20 Update on Oz with Brad Foster

Brad discusses the incoming Aussie election, the huge court case of Erin Patterson (the accused mushroom poisoner) and the happy ending for a sausage dog stuck on an island for 529 days. 

Valerie the dachshund.

Valerie the dachshund. Photo: ABC via Facebook

2:30 Music feature: The Red Hot Chili Peppers

It's time for our Tuesday music feature and today we're diving into the back catalog of the pioneers of funk rock... the Red Hot Chili Peppers!

Formed in 1983 the band burst onto the Los Angeles scene with a unique sound quickly winning fans with their high-energy shows and outrageous stage antics.

At a time when alternative rock was often brooding and introspective, the Chilis Peppers offered a wild, fun alternative.

Against all odds, they've become one of the most successful bands of all time; surviving multiple lineup changes... addiction struggles and loss

Sarah Kidd is a long time Chilli Peppers fan and Independent Music Journalist for Libel Music & Ambient Light.

Anthony Kiedis and Flea of Red Hot Chili Peppers,1989.

Anthony Kiedis and Flea of Red Hot Chili Peppers,1989. Photo: CC BY SA 30 Rob C. Croes

3:10 Feature interview:  how to say what you mean and mean what you say

A global effort to make communication clearer, kinder, and more meaningful for everyone started in the front seat of Jefferson Fisher's car. He's a Texas trial lawyer who started recording videos from his car during breaks in court.

Jefferson Fisher

Jefferson Fisher Photo: Photo courtesy Jefferson Fisher

Fisher gets millions of views for videos with advice about staying calm, being persuasive, and handling tough conversations. In a world overflowing with noise and conflict, Fisher offers a path back to clarity and connection in his new book, The Next Conversation: Argue Less, Talk More.

Photo:

3:30 Thrift

Let's go swapping! Clothes swapping that is. Katy Gosset checks out a clothes swap where more people are updating their wardrobes for free.

Three smiling women sit together indoors, each holding up colorful second-hand clothing items for a swap. One wears a rainbow jacket, another a floral dress, and the third a light pink top. A money tree icon and bold text at the bottom read 'Let’s Go Swapping – S4 Episode 4'.

Photo: supplied

3:45 The pre-Panel

wallace chapman

Photo: wallace chapman