Part of being human means experiencing lifes ups and downs - and the emotional pain that comes along with that, as much as we try to avoid it, is unavoidable.
According to our next guest however, emotional pain is not only a natural response to life events that hurt us, but painful emotions also serve an evoluntionary purpose: they encourage us to act in ways that improve our chances of survival and help us grow and develop as human beings.
Dr Carrie Hayward is a Melbourne based clinical psychologist who specialises in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. She speaks to Jesse.