On today's episode, staff say the Ministry of Education is already preparing consultancy firms to do the work of people who are being laid off, PM Christopher Luxon joins us and we also hear from RNZ education correspondent John Gerritsen, the Court of Appeal overturned a High Court order which blocked the Tribunal from calling Children's Minister Karen Chhour to give evidence, a quarterly survey commissioned by the Reserve Bank shows business and finance leaders expect inflation to fall back into the target band in the next year, and All Black captain Sam Cane has announced his retirement from international rugby.