First Up - The Podcast, Thursday 14 July

On today's First Up pod - drama at the Pacific Islands Forum as Chinese officials are ejected from a key meeting; we're joined by a Christchurch butcher at his wit's end after his business was flooded for the sixth time in just three years and a former cop-turned criminal barrister calls the Government's new gang laws "all huff and very little stuff". First Up - Voice of the Nathan!