First Up - The Podcast, Monday 23 January

On today's First Up pod - incoming Prime Minister Chris Hipkins says he'll be reigning in non-essential government programmes. So what's Chippy gonna chop? We'll have analysis from former Labour chief whip Sue Moroney; Te Pati Maori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer discusses what his leadership means for Maori and we'll take a look at Carmel Sepuloni, the first person of Pasifika heritage to become Deputy Prime Minister. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!