First Up - The Podcast, Wednesday 13 December

On today's First Up pod - after a couple of weeks away, Pam Corkery brings us news from Oz; there's drama at the UN climate talks after a draft deal failed to include plans to end fossil fuels; we hear what the people of the Pacific feel about COP 28; we speak with a couple who've embraced the freedom of retirement on the road and Auckland City mid-fielder Mario Ilich gets ready for kick off at the FIFA Club World Cup in Saudi Arabia. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!