First Up - The Podcast, Thursday 25 July

On today's First Up pod with Jimmy Ellingham: Labour's deputy leader Carmel Sepuloni responds to the extensive, final report on Abuse in State and Faith-based Care; we catch up with an award-winning butcher, who's a Supreme Winner for his honey-cured bacon and we hear about the challenging but rewarding job of working for DOC on a pest-free island. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!